hello everybody welcome to a new round of the dev meeting todays topics: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_dev_meeting#Topics who do i welcome today? me! me2 and me so, its started? ok - tomeu you want to go first to let us know where you are * shyam_k (i=shyam@59.91.255.30) has joined #olpc-meeting HFactor: we are already over :) * shikhar (n=shikhar@deimos.jacobs-university.de) has joined #olpc-meeting ok, eben has been making lots of improvements to my work on the shell redesign hi, I saw a project idea for OLPC-GSOC regarding speech synthesizer... what is the status of speech synthesizers in project? for who don't know yet, we are implementing points 1 and 2 in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs tomeu, erikos its santhosh whom about i talked santhosh: do you want to wait a bit...we have these points first http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_dev_meeting#Topics no problem :) thanks :) I don't have much more to say, other than I'm working now on giving visual feedback when launching activities tomeu: so you had the pulsing issue yesterday right? tomeu: all solved now - an agreement made? erikos: that's working, I'm refactoring it so we can use it in all the views nice! yup, icons will pulse between two pairs of colors so that's all from me thanks - any questions about that to tomeu? this is not in jhbuild yet, is it? * garycmartin (n=urk@user-54430d6c.lns4-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) has joined #olpc-meeting bertf: no only in the tree https://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/eben/sugar;a=summary oh that is ebens one sec https://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/tomeu/sugar;a=summary yeah, I have one personal tree of sugar and another of sugar-toolkit and the sugar-toolkit one it's okay, I'll probably wait until the switch is made. Any ETA on that? you need to clone both and install bertf: we are a bit delayed regarding code reviews erikos: can you give it a look from where marco left it? don don't know if he has much time now tomeu: yes sorry that i have not done yet :/ code reviews? That's new ;) bertf: we do it :) we just keep the flames in private ;) but most comments are public * bertf wishes someone would look at his code espacially nitpicks bertf: are you proud of it? ;) bertf - yes it is actually quite time costly but really helpful tomeu: it's getting better ;) erikos: I know. It's just tghat everyone seems busy with more fun things erikos: I'm not 100% sure of all that code, but didn't wanted to interrupt the code flow erikos: any strange things you see, ask tomeu: yup bertf: yeah i know ok next topic: the control panel http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/erikos/sugar;a=shortlog;h=controlpanel * morgs is here now hey morgs hi :) this is a branch you can check out what i am currently working on is the graying out of the HomWindow when the panel is up we best approach this with composite so i am looking into matchbox-2 at the moment which likely has better support for this and is a more plugin structure as well I wait for eben_ and his icons and designs for each sections now the basic functionality is there anything else, no i think that's it any question? erikos, for control panel? or whole? logos from eben_ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Settings_2a.jpg.png icons for these sections s/logos/icons http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Settings_2b.jpg.png ok and designs for each section like this one looks cool yeah and these efforts are tracked here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Control_Panel#GUI_for_the_command_line_tool special the default veiw, hats off to eben_ yup or anyone that comes up with good ideas i guess :) the time and date format, can be selected? chances are there in locale dd/mm/yy mm/dd/yy etc? hmm we have not really thought about this yet lets do a thing, instead of giving a change format we can make the time formats selected as per the locale? just needs more data and database but will be simple for kids it is dependent on the language right? * wadeb_ (n=wadeb@bb-205-209-91-168.gwi.net) has joined #olpc-meeting ya i think so so yeah that should be easy to do thanks for the thought k, lets make it yup ok anything else? format change can be made on school sever (they can change) else based on locale hmm don't know if the school server should set that this is probably a local thing ya so any more on control panel? a pity we don't have any of the speech-dispatcher people here yeah santhosh: you know about speech-dispatcher? ok i think the next item on the list is that homunq just wants to advertise his develop efforts - try it out santhosh, wake up! yes tomeu. ok open to questions now yes, I want to give a look at how Develop is today yes, I know about speech-dispatcher even I was trying to study recently about that... it seems freedesktop is trying to come with a common TTS system ... so perhaps Dhvani can be accessed through s-d? even KDE speech roadmap also talks about that yes, dhvani will be accessible through SD yes, I guess it is similar to enchant for spell checkers I am working on that.. awesome ;) santhosh: is dhvani already in fedora? no.. it is not packaged for any distro so far... it will go to debian experimental soon I was going through http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Speak to give support for more langauges, we need wrapper apps like SD.. right, Speak is accessing directly espeak, but would switch to use SD I guess SD will be a good choice... we need to give support for more synthesizers.. santhosh: there have been some posts from the SD guys in the sugar ml, you may want to search the archives the speed-dispatcher looks like the right approach sure I will have a look at that... hmm... *speed*-dispatcher is what we need, right ;) SD has backends for alsa and pulseaudio (which might be the future) tomeu: haha tomeu: the other TTL guys are from india as well no? think so, yeah they pop up and then we loose contact again :/ santhosh: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-March/004411.html maybe we should schedule a big TTL meeting for next week yeah, that would be cool yeah and make this public from today so that everybody can join agreed cool - off we go HFactor: how is the 17.00 UTC time in general for you guys how late is it on your end now? too late for browsing * jdownie (n=jdownie@154.93.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #olpc-meeting its 11 at nite tomeu: looks like Scott just fixed the faster branch hmm, yeah this is late cjb: cool make it 15:00 ? santhosh your optiom ? yeah, 15:00 UTC would be too late for the eventual US people? :) well if TTL people are mostly from the indian area? oh, for the TTL meeting yeah normally only cjb joins us so far sure 15.00 UTC for TTL-Sugar -dev-meeting for next week? 15:00 would be 10:00 in the east coast hah that is acceptable yupe http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_dev_meeting#Meetings ok added for next week - everybody welcome to add his points erikos, tomeu i lobe to work with sugar gui design so what should i do? HFactor: what your skills and interests? null and designing null? skills * bemasc (n=bemasc@crank.laptop.org) has joined #olpc-meeting inkscape gimp fontforge python HFactor: no previous experience in HCI? nop HFactor: and coding experience? null * jdownie_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) clean page HFactor: and just curious, what do you like of the Sugar UI? ;) gui style. risk to making a gui for low-memory system with specific traget users s/to/of fun of thinking in the kid level :) tomeu: when is toolbar redesign planned no idea ;) eben_: what's going on with the toolbar redesign? exit exit * bemasc has quit ("leaving") brb tomeu: haven't had time to play with it too much :-/ HFactor: I think eben_ will welcome your comments and suggestions I've gotten feeback in both directions on it...I really need to get some slides up this week on the wiki, so we can formalize the discussion about it. eben_: ok * FGrose (i=4a413f0b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-39e2f5c1090192db) has joined #olpc-meeting for the next "big" meeting? HFactor: sounds about right. tomeu: The new toolbar goes hand in hand with the possibility of removing the activity toolbar and changing the way we name/tag a little bit. So there's lots to discuss there. ok, looks good so we want to close here the official part and move on to general discussion into #sugar eben_: I guess we can postpone any toolbar changes after update2, right? * santhosh has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) thanks for the meeting! it was great yup thanks everyone as well next time we should have something to eat we need to find an sponsor and to drink i am feeling thristy tomeu: depends...I'd rather land it at the same time, but there are no technical constraints that require it. oh yeah hungry myself atleast have some _sugar_